Podcast 22 - Do I Need Sunscreen?

Do I Need Sunscreen


Chad: This is Dr. Chad Edward and you’re listening to podcast number 22 of Against The Grain.


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Speaker 2: Welcome to Against the Grain Podcast with Dr. Chad Edwards where he challenges the status quo when it comes to medicine. Look at into hot topics in the medical fields with real stories from real patients to help you on your way to a healthy lifestyle. Get ready because we’re about to go Against the Grain. Tulsa Prolotherapy


Bryan: Hey this is Bra –. My name is not Brad.




Bryan: It’s tough to say your name right out the gate. My name is Bryan Works; today I’m joined by Dr. Chad Edwards. This guy believes next to me my good friend Dr. Chad Edwards that 80% of medical recommendations are crap technically speaking, right. Tulsa Prolotherapy


Chad: Right.


Bryan: He is the author of [laughing] Revolutionize Your Health With Customized Supplements and he served in the US Army for 23 years, I only thought you’re 25 that is interesting as both an Enlisted Soldier and as an officer and as a physician who graduated from the medical school at Oklahoma State University. He is the founder of the revolutionhealth.org and the Against The Grain Podcast. How are you doing today Chad? Tulsa Prolotherapy


Chad: Man, I am number one that’s Friday.


Bryan: Yes.


Chad: Number two I’m glad you’re back.


Bryan: I’m back and wouldn’t it be nice to have a host that could talk on actual podcast. Tulsa Prolotherapy


Chad: We still are praying for that.


Bryan: We got a special guest today. You want to introduce our guest.


Chad: Yes. This is, she is no stranger to the podcast. We had her before and we are so fortunate we have her back.


Bryan: She is amazing.


Chad: And she knows, she has forgotten more about skin health and skincare than I think I ever knew. Tulsa Prolotherapy


Bryan: Yes and she has got good skin, I would say better at least 10 times better than like you or I for example.


Chad: That’s exactly right. That’s because she takes better care of her skin and also get skin bath, the one and only Sue Gasco


Sue: Hi, guys.


Bryan: Hi, Sue.


Chad: Thanks so much for coming in.


Sue: Thank you for having me.


Chad: We’re coming at it’s what is it almost the end of March. We’re well into, well in the spring but we’re in spring so we’re coming up on Oklahoma people want to start getting sun and the sun they’re getting start getting warmer and all of those kinds of things. We thought it was important to talk about the health of your skin as it relates to sun exposure. And Bryan what you do in the sun is bad when you’re going to be outside.


Bryan: Well, I have got a consortium of Speedos that I wear. I’ve got a yellow Speedo and I’ve got a red Speedo. I don’t do sunscreen now.


Chad: I think I just threw up little out of my mouth.

Bryan: [laughing] what you think so you got a truth, it’s not the truth. Actually, you can’t if for those people that are listener thanks to me but I’m rather pale okay. For most of my life I can struggle the kind of keep protected in the sun. When I go on vacation I’m the guy that just kind of stays under the umbrella at least to try to, right. But I have always kind of wonder like what is the best practice, right because you read a lot of stuff and I guess the point of today is for kind like me that needs to protect. First, I assume everyone needs to protect their skin.


Sue: Everybody needs to be protected. In reality, everybody needs to be protected 100% of the time. 80% of the exposure that we get to our skin comes in through window doesn’t actually happen when you’re sitting out in the sun.


Bryan: A window.


Sue: And through window.


Bryan: Wow. So get rid of windows.




Sue: Or put on some sunscreen.


Bryan: Let’s take away in the podcast no windows you have a good day, right.


Chad: Yes, exactly that wouldn’t.


Bryan: Yes. How do you–


Chad: Well, we’ve back in up just one second so I think in the podcast that we did in the past where we were talking about the generalized skincare is clinical promotes and I 100% agree with them on a four step process to protecting your skin. You got to back and listen to that podcast but the four step is–


Sue: Protection.


Chad: Protecting your skin. Lot of our patients that hear this because we’ve been bombarded with we need to protect our skin from the sun and so we’re going to go get a bunch of sunscreen and so we should all just rush out and grab the Banana Boat spray on because that’s convenient to make it easy for everybody.


Bryan: Don’t tell me that stuffs back because I couldn’t live life with my children. I have two kids as young children and you remember the lotion is set to put on them now to spray it’s like a spray tan–


Chad: It’s easy.


Bryan: It’s easy but don’t tell me it’s bad.


Sue: Actually, it is.


Bryan: In the show no windows, no spray, I mean this is ridiculous.


Chad: We can’t end it there.


Bryan: Okay. Just keep on why is it bad.


Chad: Tell us why that’s bad.


Sue: Well, most of the sunscreen as you see out in your drugstores, the general market place they are made with chemical sunscreen ingredients. The chemical sunscreen ingredients do a good job as a sunscreen but once the sun hits them they undergo a chemical process that has a byproduct that’s toxic to us. Yes they keep us from getting sunburn but they leave behind the toxic chemical that then is very harmful for us. For those people that you hear say that they are very sensitive to sunscreens the problem is that they are sensitive to that byproduct of a chemical sunscreen and in reality it’s harmful for every single last one of us.


Bryan: What is in the spray? I’m sorry that I interrupted but what is in the spray that makes it, I assumes like a hair spray type of mixture with lotion for just an average guy that’s really check the ingredients.


Sue: Well so probably they have some alcohol in it. It depends on the manufacturer of what the ingredients are. But what you’re looking for in any given sunscreen you don’t care what the propellant is so much unless you worried about the environment and then care about the propellants having fluorocarbons in them but beyond that you don’t really care about the ingredients except for the sunscreen ingredients.


But the other thing that I think is a fallacy as you look at the sunscreen they are in the drugstore and they say they are sunscreen and they got antioxidants and they got all this stuff in them that’s really should be good for your skin, but other problem is the chemical actually kills all of the other active ingredients so all you get is chemical and then again the chemical undergoes that chemical transformation when it’s hit by sun and has a bad byproduct.


Bryan: Interesting.


Chad: Exactly. Now with the stuff so if you spray the stuff on and you get sun exposure you got the stuff can we just go wash that off.


Sue: Actually no because it’s absorbed into your skin and it’s now become systemic.


Chad: You could have an effect to your organs, your brain, your nervous system; all of those things are potential targets for the toxin.


Sue: They are every single one of them.

Chad: Okay. We can’t just abandon.


Sue: No actually we believe in protection. I mean that’s one of those steps that we tell everybody to do, take protection. Then when you look at your sunscreen ingredients what you’re looking for as an ingredient or as ingredients is zinc oxide or titanium dioxide. There is another option I mean some companies and that would be as included do use a chemical in their sunscreen but what we do is we microencapsulate the chemical we use in a capsule too large to be absorbed. So then when the sunscreen chemical undergoes its chemical change all of that caught in a capsule that you then wash off the next time you take a shower.


Bryan: Interesting. That’s feel more practical about what product does that represent like if I go and buy a product what you recommend.


Sue: Well, because I work for a company that makes two spectacular sunscreens.


Bryan: Well how out that and I get commission off of it. I think we agreed before show 90% you take 10%. Are we still there? Okay.


Sue: Yes. We’re right there.


Chad: Let me interject for one second so I remember I don’t know when it was because a long time ago there was a big thing and it made colored sunscreens and I have been the proponent of using the minerals or they actually work as how to describe this, it’s a physical barrier.


Sue: It’s a physical barrier.


Chad: They basically reflect the UV rays, correct.


Sue: They do.


Chad: This is just a minute–


Bryan: Okay, colored.


Chad: Yes. Remember the commercial in the out the lifeguard had like a red nose.


Sue: Or white nose. I mean when I was young they were totally white that’s zinc oxide.


Bryan: Like just in the places that are most exposed, right and you can’t cover whole body and like–


Chad: You could. You would look like a clown.


Sue: No you can’t because the technology has become much better. In the past when you saw zinc oxide which was a color or white on somebody’s nose the zinc is a very larger particle. Now in today’s market place you see zinc has been micronized. And it has two advantages one the large particle zinc, I’m going to use an analogy of peanut butter. Let say that you got your piece of bread and spread your chunky peanut butter on it and some of the chunks roll over and then the bread exposed.

That would be like the large particles like zinc oxide used to be. When you put micronized zinc oxide on micronized titanium dioxide they’re both physicals. Think of creamy peanut butter so you spread it on it’s a nice thin layer it covers your bread completely. Then you have a higher chance of not being exposed where is missing because the particles is too large.


Bryan: That’s good analogy.


Chad: That and I love the way you said that, Bryan’s got a couple of kids and he doesn’t want to go to spray the bad crap on them because it’s toxic and then that’s bad, we don’t want to do that. That’s why I’ve been a fan of the mechanical ones and then of course when I started working with his clinical there was another component which we will talk about in a second but-


Bryan: Mechanical.


Chad: The physical outside non-mechanical, of the physical barriers that reflect the UV so that zinc oxide titanium dioxide those kinds of things. In the past those things were like you mentioned they were thick white greasy hard to put on and you look like a clown walking around and as I was alluding to them, they made colored to get it right red and yellow and it was like a marketing thing.


Bryan: But did not to interrupt we’ve got to take a quick break will come right back and let’s talk a little bit more about which particular products people should look for, how about that?


Chad: You got it.


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Bryan: And were back here with Dr. Chad Edwards, Chad continue on what you’re talking about earlier in the types of steps that we can take in the product that you would recommend.


Chad: Yes. We were talking about that using the physical barriers of zinc oxide and titanium dioxide which have been a big fan of for a long time but the problem is that stuffs hard to get on thick greasy all those things and Sue told me about the micronized which i wasn’t aware of you know I wasn’t staying up on that piece and Sue told me about the micronized. We talked a little bit about that it’s much easier to apply things like that. If you’re out looking for a sunscreen and don’t have access to his clinical or you can get on the website and order of which we don’t have it up yet but we will be soon having it available on our website. What to look for if you’re just getting a physical barrier what should just micronize zinc oxide, titan dioxide?


Sue: what you want to look for in any sunscreen really effective sunscreen is micronized or zinc micronized titanium. The other thing is by micronizing the park particles they become clear so you actually can see through them. then their skin color in the drugstore it’s harder to find the high-quality really small particles, but you can find better product than they used to have in the past but always look for micronized titanium or micronized zinc.


Bryan: You can find that on the against the grain website?


Chad: Revolutionhealth.org.


Bryan: Okay revolution health.org website if people want more details but let’s go real quickly. People can also find about what we’re about to talk about, again let’s just make sure everyone that’s hosting understands this steps. I think you mentioned four steps.


Chad: For skin care,


Bryan: For skin care.


Sue: For skin help the way we look at skin health is Sue, you want to cleanse your face first and foremost. Most people don’t do a good job of it and you need a cleanser that does not have any thumbing ingredients in it because they strip the good things off. The next thing you want to do is put on a treatment product that addresses whatever issues you don’t like about your skin or things that you would like to improve in your skin. The third step would be hydrate honestly we had is think that the hydrate and protect in the morning is one step so, that would be sunscreen you don’t need an extra moisturizer, you just need sunscreen at night you would need the moisturizer to protect your skin during the night.


Chad: That is perfect.


Bryan: That is perfect, Dr. Chad you to add to that?


Chad: She said pretty much it. But you mentioned earlier the encapsulated chemicals let’s talk just a little bit more about that and why did is choose both a physical barrier and a chemical barrier and combine them and what’s the benefit to the patient?


Sue: For some sunscreens the chemical does a better job at one of the UV’s so the UV-b is actually better suited to the chemical than the UVAs the UVA is better sort suited to the physical and we just wanted the best of both worlds.

Again we didn’t want to do any harm so we micro-encapsulated so that it could not be absorbed. it also keeps it away from other ingredients so then you can add beneficial ingredients into your sunscreen that add treatment products to the skin at the same time.


Chad: That’s perfect I love it so this is we can put this Brian can put this on his kids?


Sue: Yes.


Chad: He doesn’t have to worry about losing the rest of his mind if he uses it on himself because of the toxins.


Sue: And the advantage actually of using a physical sunscreen as opposed to a chemical sunscreen on your kids is that they actually sit on the skin longer than the chemical do, and then they stay in place better.


Bryan: Okay, I think Sue is a pretty good salesperson so let’s close this deal right. For the people that are listening out there what to tell me exactly where i can get the right product.


Sue: There is clinical who makes two sunscreens.


Bryan: Is clinical give me a website.


Sue: Is clinical.com is the website we actually do not sell on our website but when you can find or locate a dealer locator like Chad so you could purchase our products from one of our-


Bryan: Virtualwellnessfitness.org you can find these products as she is talking about on our revolutionhealth.org.


Chad: We’re working on that piece and we will be getting that piece up soon.


Bryan: Okay, great.


Sue: The two sunscreens we have are eclipse 50+ which is a-


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Sue: Which is a SPFF50 that is a total physical and extreme protect 30 which is an SPF of 30 which is a physical and chemical but it has treatment ingredients and it also.


Bryan: Okay, just repeat that real briefly again.


Sue: Eclipse 50+.


Bryan: Eclipse 50+,


Sue: Extreme protects 30+.


Bryan: Extreme protects and those people that are actually listening they think they might think this is a setup we actually didn’t talk about this before the show. It’s a good thing because this is the show is all about kind of an organic approach to things in the stock in the real professional people like Dr. Edwards and Sue here. I can tell you that i think we’ve build the roadmap for people to do a best practice again they can find these four steps@revolutionhealth.org


Chad: That’s correct.


Bryan: And then Chad these products that Sue has mentioned will be coming soon to the website of course.


Chad: They are available in our clinic so if you’re physically there. if you can’t get it any other way just call our clinic our contact is on the websites, so you can call if the website portion is not yet available and will get it to you. And then once we get the website component of your spillover directly added to your cart in order.


Bryan: I’m going to give you a shameless plug before we go, you know my father has Parkinson’s okay when my dad’s favorite things to do is to go visit with Dr. Edwards because revolution is just one of those places that if the people that are listing to his podcast, is a lot of information sometimes it can be overwhelming as hard as we try to kind of park it in in 20 minutes, that is not a whole lot of time. i would recommend for anybody out there just get a list of questions get an appointment go in and get an hour with Dr. Chad Edwards and i think it’ll be a i mean i know my dad, always has great questions for you.


Chad: Your dad’s awesome.


Bryan: Yes, Dr. Tom Wilkes is a plug for him. He doesn’t have a website [laughs] you wait; Sue thanks for being on our show.


Chad: Thanks, Sue.


Sue: Thank you for having me.


Bryan: Dr. Chad will see you, next time


Chad: Have a great day.


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