Episode 80 – Sympathetic Overdrive & ADHD
Speaker 1: 00:00 This is Dr Chad Edwards and you’re listening to episode number 80 of against the grain.
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Speaker 1: 00:37 Hey guys, this is Dr Chad Edwards and we are back with another episode of against the grain podcast. I am so honored and excited to have my good friend, Dr. Heath Travis here today to join us. Thank you so much for having me. So we were talking about some, you know, we talked a little bit about the healthy trinity and you know, I’ve talked a lot about it. Uh, you know, with trying to optimize the health of our patients and just what is a major cause of a lot of problems for a lot of chronic illnesses. And we started talking about Adhd is one of those topics that’s kind of near and dear to my heart. I’ve got some family members with that and it can be a little bit of a struggle in and trying to optimize how they look, feel, and perform. So we were talking about you’ve got some really interesting perspective on this. Tell me, tell me what, what you got.
Speaker 3: 01:27 Absolutely. So when we look at these Kiddos, you know, all, all of this stuff, add, Adhd, all this component of immunity, we kind of challenged that. The very first thing that we look at is what we call a spinal misalignment from my side of things. So whenever a vertebrae or recoupable body is misaligned, it becomes fixated. When that fixation happens, automatically we start to go into this thing of what we call this autonomic, which is just autoimmune dysfunction. Okay. So the autonomic nervous system, as you know, is made up of two parts. We have what we call the sympathetic nervous system and a parasympathetic sympathetic is our fight or flight response. It’s our go hard. Go run from the tiger, you know, don’t let anything get us. Our parasympathetic is that rest, digest, recreate, grow. It’s the stuff that we want to be in. Well, what happens with these Kiddos as that fixation in this nervous system starts to get bunched up, they go into this automatic sympathetic response.
Speaker 3: 02:29 I call it sympathetic overdrive, so it’s constantly there. They’re constantly getting this fight or flight response. You know, they’re the blood’s going there. There’s no time for the body to worry about resting and digesting and growing because it’s constantly and run, run, run, run, run, run, run, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight. When this inputs going in constantly, it’s all going to the brain. The brain always, always, always 100 times. One hundred percent of the day is in the sensory mode. It’s either sensing good or bad most of the time, so part of the good is what we call proprioception. It’s this input that’s spatial. It’s. It’s how we walk and talk and move into what we feel. The other part of this is what we call nociception, which is Knox’s noxious stimuli, pain and slash or stress responses. So if we’re getting this constant sympathetic overload, we’re in a constant state of nociception or bad stimuli.
Speaker 3: 03:21 When bad is up, good can only go down, particularly with these two that are very inverse. So if you drive proprioception up, we’re going to drive the bat down. Part of what we do, chiropractically, is to drive proprioception. As we move that joint, the sensory input is now good. So we’re driving down all the bad stuff. These kids slowly start to come out of this. This function starts to get better. They start to feel better, and once they can start to feel better, they can actually communicate that to you one times. They don’t even know because you know it’s so overloaded that they can’t even really tell you what’s going on because they don’t know. Their brains are so overloaded and that’s what we see as men. That’s the fun stuff. I could literally probably talk two hours about this, but basic is drive good, that will suppress bad, but if we let the Bab keep winning, the louder voice always wins out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: 04:11 So it’s Kinda summarizing a little bit more what you’re saying. It’s kind of like driving down the road. One foot’s on the gas pedal, one foot’s on the brake and with the, with the sympathetics, that’s the grass pedal parasympathetics your brake pedal and it’s like nothing’s put, putting the brakes on and you’re just constantly your car down the highway. Just floored. And you know when, when you’re doing that it you got, there’s a lot of stimuli going on at the same time and there’s a lot of squirrels that run across the road. There are, there are all
Speaker 3: 04:42 and you just can’t pump the brakes, you know, it’s like the foot won’t move and that’s where these kiddos are and that’s, you know, we want to save them all. I mean everybody does and that’s. So we all worked together to get them functioning
Speaker 1: 04:53 and I think I may be speaking out of term, but I’ll bet you the average person, especially a, unless they spend a lot of time looking at what can we do, because I’ll. I will tell you now for our listeners, I will tell you now that the answer for Adhd is not putting them on stimulant medications. You understand that they are like a very small leap away from methamphetamine. So these medications are very similar both in structure and in function to methamphetamine and I’m not going to tell you that they don’t have their place and that they don’t have their role. They do in some cases, but it is not your very first thing. If you’ve got adhd. It is not my first thing to say, hey, let’s go put you on a methamphetamine like medication and we’ll just assume that you’re good. From that point on.
Speaker 1: 05:45 I don’t mean to beat anybody up. I don’t mean to make anybody feel bad, but you have to consider the entirety of what’s going on. So optimizing their brain health and function in my clinic involves the nutritional approach, optimizing magnesium. There’s multiple supplements that we can do and making sure that they’re, uh, they’ve got good healthy Omega threes, they’ve got everything that their brain needs for optimal balance, eliminating a lot of toxic foods and a lot of nasty food substances, good nutritional approach. There are some behavioral things that we can do, but adding in this truck curl components where we’re taking the foot off the gas pedal and help balancing that sympathetic parasympathetic. I love it and I think it is an awesome, an invaluable tool to, to giving that overall comprehensive approach to that type of Adhd. Amen.
Speaker 3: 06:39 And you know, just like we’ve talked about, it’s such a Mac multifactorial thing that it takes a team, you know, we have to be there because these kids deserve it and you know, they just kind of get sometimes lost in the shuffle of one, one place or another. So that’s what’s so cool is, is having people out there who we can all work together and find answers. Yeah. That’s fun. Yeah, I love it.
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Speaker 1: 07:36 So it’s really some amazing stuff that we can do for optimizing the health of everyone. I’m kind of rehashing what I’ve already said, but I’m going issue. I think it’s important. Optimizing nutrition, optimizing exercise, which exercise can play an important role specifically for the treatment of how our brain works and Adhd and attention deficit and hyperactivity and all of those things. The exercise plays an important role. Secondly, make sure that sleep stress, all of those pieces, eliminating toxins, optimizing that. Uh, you know, the getting rid of toxic foods and things like that, sugar, like the devil, you know, those kinds of things, and making sure that structure and function is optimized. I think that’s, I think that’s brilliant and amazing and I love what you’re doing in regards to that. So all of our patients that live in this area and want to come get their kids treated by you. How, how do they get you the best ways to give us a phone call? Nine. One eight, two, two, four, two, two, two, five which also spells back
Speaker 3: 08:38 perfect. And then, uh, our website is SAPULPA chiropractic. Tor Tor.com. And facebook is Travis Chiropractic and twitter is Dr Heath Travis.
Speaker 1: 08:51 Awesome. So be sure and go like his facebook page also. This has its own facebook page, so you can, we’re going to put that up obviously on the facebook page against the grain podcast. Uh, and so you go like that page, go share these podcasts so that other people that, you know, their kids have adhd, they need, we’re not trying to drive our business with this. We’re trying to optimize the health of patients so and, and have our kids and all those kinds of things and also if you hear me, I’m hearing you’re somewhere way outside of Tulsa, you can still call us because we have chiropractors. Every part of the states. You have a world that absolutely the same thing and they get it. Yeah. And you know, finding somebody that gets it. Yeah, absolutely. So obviously loved that and, and our, our goal and functions to make sure that patients look, feel and perform at their best. So guys, thanks for listening. We’ll close out another episode of against the grain podcast. You guys have a great day.
Speaker 4: 09:46 Thanks for listening to this week’s podcast with Dr Chad it tune in next week where we’ll be going against the grain.
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