Episode 71 – Skincare Products & Which Work

Skincare Products That Work, and Those That Don’t

• Why do we use skin care products?
  • Remove debris, oil, makeup
  • Protect & repair from sun damage
  • Prevent aging
  • Reduce inflammation, acne, etc
  • Reduce wrinkles, age spots
• They have to get into skin cells in order to do what they say they will do. Some are effective. Some aren’t.
• Skin is a barrier:
  • stratum corneum – particularly difficult to penetrate
  • stratum lucidum, stratum granulosum, stratum spinosum
• Skincare Products have to: get through the barrier, enter cell, affect metabolism in a way that improves cell health. This requires biochemical skill!
  • Vitamin E Acetate penetrates better than Vit E
• Design and composition of substances matters!
  • Substance has to be soluble in the target tissue
    • Vit A is a fat soluble antioxidant
    • Vit C is a water soluble antioxidant
  • Size matters!
    • Collagen can’t cross the barrier, even if combined with penetration enhancers or vehicles.
      • In this case it is a moisturizer but DOES NOT enhance collagen
    • Stem Cells – too big to get through the barrier

• High quality products work because they get into the cell and are able to effect the change they need in order to produce the results.
• These products are capable of causing problems if used incorrectly. That is why they are PROFESSIONAL products.
• OTC products are safe and cannot cause the same kinds of problems because they can’t get to the site of action inside the cell.
• Retailers and independent sales reps are not able to diagnose problems and treat them. That is why they have to be cosmetic grade and not pharmaceutical grade.

Speaker 1: 00:00 This is Dr Chad Edwards and you’re listening to podcast number 70, one of against the grain.

Speaker 2: 00:05 Welcome to against the grain podcast with Dr Chad Edwards, where he challenges the status quo when it comes to medicine. We get into hot topics in the medical field with real stories from real patients to help you on your way to a healthy lifestyle. Get ready because we’re about to go. Go against the grain.

Speaker 1: 00:30 Hello everybody. Dr Edwards. Welcome. Welcome, welcome. Are you. Are you having a good day, man? Uh, if I were already better, I’d be twins. Is that doctor joke that, that always gets me. My daughter calls him dad jokes. Yeah. Same. Same thing. Same. Same humor. Yeah. But your. But your dad was a doctor. So we are here. Uh, Dr Edwards is a back in the studio joining us for the, against the grain, a group man against the grain podcast. He is a board certified family physician. He served in the US army and he authored the book, revolutionize your health with customized supplements. And Dr. Edwards, real quick, why do we do the against the grain podcast with what are we trying to educate people on, but everything just listen to us for anything. We have all the answers. If you don’t believe it’s just ask us. We’ll tell you how good we are.

Speaker 1: 01:32 Okay, so basically a traditional medicine, we’re led to believe certain things and traditional medicine and and I just, you know, in, in my path on medicine, I figured that we are doing things wrong. We’re doing things incorrectly. Saw a patient today, went to her, endocrinologist, was fed a load of crap as as commonly happens. They didn’t listen to her. She felt worse when they did what they did. She goes back and complains and they increased it. So if no one makes you worse, let’s give you two and let’s really screw you up. So I mean she just works. So there’s so much of this and there’s another way, there’s a better way that’s evidence based and we’re trying to get that information out so that people understand how they can look, feel and perform at their absolute best optimal health, optimal health. Not within the normal range, but optimal health optimized, listened to podcast number two.

Speaker 1: 02:27 It’ll tell you about normal versus optimal. Okay. What are we talking about today? What specifics are we getting into? So we’re going to talk about one of. We’re going to kind of tag along with one of the ones that we did last time last week in. It’s, um, it’s about one of the largest organs in your body. We’re going to talk about skin and you know, as we’ve talked about before, you know, taking care of your skin, you know, it’s not really my game, it wasn’t really my big deal. But the more I get into this, the more I realize it’s incredibly important. And I’ll tell you one of the, one of the things that is my game and I’m learning more, more and more about this and I’m understanding the impact more and more about the amount of just pure crap in our environment that are pure toxins.

Speaker 1: 03:09 And you know, we’ve talked about glyphosate. In fact, one of the most popular shows that we’ve done was on glyphosate and its impact on our health and how it’s in nutrition and those kinds of things. But there is, you know, he had dj liaison talking about dude and the and the hair stuff. There are so many toxins that are in our environment and how do we take care of ourselves without having to worry about all the crap that we put on our, on our skin. So today we’re going to talk about skincare products, uh, some skincare products and how do you determine good ones versus bad ones and what has a bunch of junk in it that you don’t want and why do some of them work? And why do some of them not? You know, there’s a lot of information about Rodan and fields.

Speaker 1: 03:50 It’s a network marketing company that sells these skincare things and they do have some benefit. I don’t think it’s the best stuff out there. And I’m going to make a lot of people mad by saying that, but it’s simply the truth. And we will have another podcast specifically about Rodan and fields and who it might be beneficial for and who should stay away from it. So those are kind of some of the intro to what we’re gonna talk about today. Okay. So skincare and the crap that is skincare and the stuff that’s not crap. Exactly. And why, why some of them work them. Some don’t. Okay. So first and foremost, why would you say the majority of people use skincare products? Yeah. So a lot of people are doing it because they want to reduce inflammation. They want to, uh, you know, get rid of their acne.

Speaker 1: 04:36 They want to treat a specific skin condition. They’re trying to remove the oil debris, a makeup, you know, those kinds of things. My wife everyday you know, she, you’ll get ready to go to bed and she said I gotta go wash up my makeup. So she goes in and, and scrubs all that stuff off. That very common. Especially for women. I don’t know many men that wear makeup, you know, other than, you know, like Hollywood people doing the walk around with Eila. I don’t know, weird stuff but not, not, not our Oklahoma deal, but uh, anyway, um, so some people want to use skincare products to help reduce the impact of sun, the sun exposure, which is incredibly damaging to, or I should say at ages skin, even though I think some sun exposure is good for our overall health is no question damaging to your skin.

Speaker 1: 05:21 Some people want to try and reduce some of the age spots and wrinkles and things like that. So there’s a broad list of reasons why people use skincare products. Okay. So they use it for this variety of reasons, but I couldn’t tell you the first thing about skincare products. And so, uh, I’m going to play the role of the third grader, the resident third grader for this particular episode. Awesome. Um, but like how do these skincare products work or what, what makes them effective maybe is the question. So why, why some work and some don’t. Why know, you go to your local department store and they’re stuck. You can spend a lot of money on some of this stuff and frankly a lot of it really doesn’t work. It might have a little bit of moisturizing effect. It might have some, some benefit as opposed to not using anything, but in order to achieve these goals, these anti aging goals, trying to reverse some of the damage reversed some of the wrinkling and age spots and those kinds of things that the stuff has to get into the cell.

Speaker 1: 06:23 It this and it has to be able to exert a specific change within that cell that will ultimately result in, you know, some of the benefits, the results that we see, the stuff that doesn’t get into the cell does not work. So it sounds simple, but most of the stuff that you’re going to buy, especially over the counter, not professional kind of stuff, you know, go to your doctor and get this stuff. Most of them are not going to have the same level of impact. They just don’t. And there’s a very specific, both I’ll call it legal and scientific reason why they don’t work and why they’re not going to have the same level of benefit. And so that’s the level of impact in the. Would you call it the strength, the strength of the product or the concentration of what’s in it? Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 07:16 Sort of, sort of. Yeah, I mean that. How powerful is it? Yeah, that’s, that’s, that’s legit. So what kinds of things do you typically find in skincare products? Well, there’s a whole host of things. You’ve got antioxidants, you’ve got the diluent, you know, so let’s say you’re trying to get in vitamin C, so vitamin C is a water soluble antioxidants and it has certain benefit inside the skin. So you need some kind of vehicle, some kind of a solution kind of thing. Is it going to be a cream, a gel or a liquid that you apply? Mean how are you going to get it there? So you’ve got a, those kinds of things. Then you have the actives and in this case, you know, vitamin C is the active ingredient that’s going to go in and exert its effect depending on the skincare product. There’s like hydroquinone and there’s all kinds of different ingredients that have different effects and a lot of the skincare stuff that we use will have what are called extreme designs and these are enzymes that will exert certain changes in, uh, in some ways can protect DNA and restore the health of cells and reverse some of these timing, timing diamonds that you get with sun exposure and lower risk of cancer, um, or support optimal health.

Speaker 1: 08:28 And as far as that goes, is probably a better way of saying them. So getting, so getting these different, uh, the actives and the diluent. Yeah, that’s my new favorite word. It’s awesome. Deal us. Yeah. I’m gonna. Go out tonight and I’m going to say, do you know anything about deal ewans? Because I do. Well, I almost want to like use it as a derogatory term. You are such a deal. You went and diluent, you were a deal. US. I’m probably going to get beat up tonight. Vegan, except for you’re much taller. Yeah, yeah. Well I’m going to say it to a big group of people, but no. So. So the skin, you know, for your body, you know, is probably the most. You said it’s the largest organ in the body. Yeah. Okay. So it’s the largest organ in the body and it’s probably the most exposed as well.

Speaker 1: 09:19 And so it serves as some kind of like barrier, I would imagine. That’s exactly right. So it separates it. Did I interrupt you? Were you gonna say something else? I’ll be honest, I, I don’t know. I’m just kinda like shooting in the dark here as to how the skin actually reacts to these different products. And why is it so why is it such an important thing to know how the skincare products work? Because you got to know that you’re not wasting your money. And, and the reality is most people waste a lot of money on products that they think are doing a lot of good stuff. For example, some products will come out, whether it’s your latest, greatest network marketing, and I’m not naming anybody specific, just the latest, greatest thing, and they’ll say, this skincare product has stem cells, or this one has collagen in it thinking that you rubbed this stuff on your skin.

Speaker 1: 10:15 Those stem cells are going to get in to the skin and exert their change in their effect. And you know, we’ve talked about stem cells before. Stem cells have a lot of science behind them. They can make a big difference in what we’re looking for. That Fountain of Youth and one reserve versus a lot of things. And it certainly makes sense that stem cells may play a good role in that. Problem is stem cells are big. There are these big cells, Collagen, it’s this big long molecule. Of course, as we’ve talked many times, it makes up the ligaments and tendons. It also makes up the architecture of your skin. Uh, you know, and certainly loss of Collagen is part of why you get these wrinkling and sagging skin and those kinds of things. So if you are using a skincare product and it says it’s got stem cells and it’s got Collagen and it, you think that you’re going to rub that on it, it’s going to raise your collagen and it’s pure crap it, the, the stem cells are way too big.

Speaker 1: 11:06 It may actually have it in there, but it’s not going to do anything, you know, it’s like having gas or if, you know, I remember driving down the road having a spare gas can one time when I was 16. And uh, you know, I had the big, I had a jeep that was my first vehicle. So, um, I had the big five gallon jerry can kind of thing and got low on gas when I was out, you know, mudding or whatever. And I was like, oh, okay, cool. I got five gallons in there. The problem was the, uh, the little funnel thing that you attach to that thing was too short. Oh Man. So I couldn’t get the gas in the tank, so I had it. Couldn’t get it where it needed to go. Sure. So this stuff has stem cells in it, but it can’t get where it needs to go and it’s worthless.

Speaker 1: 11:48 There is no evidence to support that it doesn’t get where it needs to be and it’s, it’s useless. Same with Collagen. There may be ingredients that enhance the production of Collagen, but the college in itself does not serve the purpose of increasing Collagen in your skin. It may also add a moisture component, you know, just kind of give some substance to the cream but, or the gel or liquid or whatever it is, but it doesn’t get into the skin and increased Collagen just because it has collagen in it. So there’s some fancy footwork with marketing and all of those kinds of things. But those substances are too big to get into the skin. So you mentioned that skin is a barrier and that’s absolutely correct if you don’t like slugs, you know, as a kid, you know, we pour salt on a slug and they.

Speaker 1: 12:36 Have you ever done that? Uh, uh, I don’t know what the Pee pee pc way to answer that is. Of course I have. Okay. Okay, good. Because I was thinking I was weird, so, so you know, we would pour salt on a slug and you know, they, they shrivel up and that’s because it draws all the fluid out. There’s no barrier to, to set where that slug will hold its moisture in, in that same way. So our skin serves a vital purpose and it protects us from their environment and one of the ways is so, you know, it prevents loss of fluid when we don’t want it to, but it also keeps us, I mean, we, we live in this incredibly toxic world and we want to keep stuff from a exposing, you know, our, our bodies and we absorbed some things and don’t absorb others.

Speaker 1: 13:23 And so with these skincare products, well regardless, you’ve got this barrier and there’s the structure of skin is designed to protect you from those things. And of course it’s got a number of other functions, but the very outer layer is called the stratum corneum. That’s one of the labels are one of the layers of the skin. And that layer in particular is, is especially difficult to penetrate. Hard to get stuff through that, especially when you’re trying to get this, uh, this, uh, chemical stuff, this skincare products that you’re wanting to reverse some aging and reverse reduce wrinkles and uh, anti aging and all of those kinds of things that the, um, you’re wanting to get that through, that our outer barrier and you’ve got to do a lot of research, a lot of biochemistry, a lot of understanding the deal, you once in the structure of these things and how do you get it from here to inside the cell where it needs to be and it takes work.

Speaker 1: 14:24 It’s not as easy as let’s just throw a couple of things together. And here we go. I mean, you gotta make sure that those ingredients play together, that the actives, the things that are actually supposed to do with their do like the vitamin C, vitamin E, how to indio vitamin. That’s an other example. Vitamin C is water soluble, vitamin D is fat soluble or lipid soluble. So water and oil don’t mix. You’ve got to have water for one and oil for the other sort of. So you got to find a way to make both of those work together, get through that barrier, get into the cell where it’s gonna do its thing, and you do need both kinds of things, you know, whether it’s vitamin A, vitamin E and vitamin C, you need liquid and fat soluble antioxidants just from an oxidative, a perspective. So you have to have a diluent that will carry those things in.

Speaker 1: 15:10 Did. There’s a lot about chemistry in that stuff and it’s not just as simple as, hey, grab some stuff. It says this stuff on the label, throw it on there. It’s kind of like a Trojan horse. Absolutely. Yeah. Uh, and, and you’ve got to look at the Ph of the products, the, the polarity of the products, the size of the product. I mean there’s, there’s a lot of stuff that goes into it. And does it actually work, you know, when you’re good. Skincare products are going to have their independent third party clinical trials. You know, when someone comes to me and they, you know, if I’m going to tell you I’ve got the best car in the world and you’re going to say, what are you going to say? You have the best car in the world. So I had the best car in the world. Well, I, I don’t know about that. Right. So I needed to prove it to you. I did a study and I drove it around the block and it was faster than any car that I’ve ever driven around the block.

Speaker 3: 16:05 What really?

Speaker 1: 16:08 Well, sure. That’s, that’s my, that was my study. That’s what I did. Okay. Alright, well that was your stuff. You did the study. Exactly. Oh yeah. So, um, when I do the study, I mean there’s, there’s an inherent bias into that. Sure. That doesn’t mean that there’s absolutely no chance, but if you have, if I’ve got the fastest car in the world, I’m going to have somebody else drive it or I’m going to get. Well, I want to remove me so I can prove it to somebody else that this is the fastest car in the world. I don’t know, is that a cheesy example or is that a girl? It makes sense. Okay, well good. Maybe one of our two listeners will also agree that that makes sense. Maybe one of our listeners has the fastest car in the world and they want to come.

Speaker 1: 16:52 Come here. So do a study to study. Um, what I want to do is, uh, let’s take a quick break when we come back on a hear more about why this is going against the grain topic. Okay. We’re kind of in the weeds right now of the bad stuff. The crap. Yeah. I want to hear why it’s against the grain. I want to hear a specifically why some people react differently to a skincare products than others. Yep. Okay. And then, uh, what’s the stuff that works for all the listeners? What we should be using? You got it.

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Speaker 1: 17:58 Okay. We are back with Dr Chad Edwards and ladies and gentlemen, he is wearing green scrubs today just in case you wanted that visual. He’s a handsome man and he’s wearing green scrubs. So just just to throw that out there, but we’re talking about skincare products. It was a vasectomy day. What can I say? So talking about skincare products and uh, and the crap that is out there and why it’s crap and why it gets labeled crap. But then additionally, additionally, um, how do you find the good stuff? Okay. Now, before the break I was curious about why do some people react differently to skincare products than others? Sure. Well, I would, I would argue half of that is there’s crappy stuff out there. So you use too much crappy stuff and you get crappy results. Now the other I will tell you this, I had a patient that came in in the brand that I generally recommend is, is clinical innovative skincare.

Speaker 1: 19:06 Clinical is its clinical great stuff. There’s some other good ones out there that’s the one I use as a professional quality line only available through physicians and skincare professionals. There’s a specific reason for that. We’ll talk about that in a second. It’s one of the things that sets it apart. Any of these professional lines and there’s a specific reason they’re more effective because they get into the cell and we’ll, we’ll talk more about that in a second. So, um, so I had a patient that came in and was using an a youth I complex and this is great stuff. I’ve seen tremendous benefit. One of our podcast that we did a while back with sue gaskell, one of our experts on skincare. She’s, she came in and we were talking about this, a youth I complex and actually works amazing and I had a patient that came in and used it one time and then had quote a severe reaction and it was awful.

Speaker 1: 20:00 And basically what happened with that, with that patient, we find that the way you put stuff on matters. So if I take active serum, which is another one of our great foundational, a skincare anti-aging anti-acne works great for a lot of stuff and if you take that stuff and put it on your face. So I’m doing most of my face. It’s got a Ph of, I think it’s three point six or something fairly. It may not be that low, but it’s got a. it’s fairly acidic as a little bit more harsh. You don’t put that stuff around your eye. But most people will put on the active serum first. Then the same hand with which they put on the active serum. So they’ve got that on their hand. They’ll take the ice stuff and then they’ll put it on their finger and use that same finger and wipe it around real, real close to there.

Speaker 1: 20:50 I. So now you have two products. The one that’s not intended for around the eye and the one that is. And when you rub it around your eye, you can have a reaction because the, the skin around your eyes very thin, it’s a little more fragile and sensitive. It’s not designed for the harsher ph of the other stuff. And you, she got that stuff around her eye and it caused a reaction. It actually had nothing to do with the youth I complex had everything to do with the way she applied it. So the, that component matter. So that’s great quality stuff that’s applied incorrectly and results in a poor outcome. So that’s one piece. If you’re using their products incorrectly, regardless of what kind of product it is, you’re not going to get the intended outcome. So that’d be one piece. Second pink thing a or a piece ping that’s, that’s the, that’s the thing piece.

Speaker 1: 21:46 But so when you’re talking about poor quality stuff that you can’t get into the skin, then it doesn’t work. You need good quality stuff. So anything that is of poor quality isn’t going to have the same effect as a high quality supplement. So those are some of the reasons that, you know, we, we don’t see the same level of benefits. Some people have poor outcomes, some people we have good outcomes. Did that answer your question? One hundred percent. Okay. All right. What’s your next question? Next question is why is this such an against the grain topic? Yeah. Because I wouldn’t say that it’s against the grain from traditional medicine, uh, but that that’s my opinion, but it is against the grain as to what most people are doing. Most people are just going and getting crap from their local department store or Walmart target and fill in the blanks, costco, whatever.

Speaker 1: 22:41 And Oh, that stuff looks good. I saw the commercial, we’ll use that. The amount of toxins and crap in met. Much of that stuff is just freaking awful. And many of these things run away. Don’t walk there. They’re just awful. And you can listen to a DJ. Talk about, you know, the, the parabens and the multiple different chemicals that are in these things that are known to be problematic and how the EU has banned, what was it, what he say, 1800 chemicals or something like that that, that are allowed in the US. And we just lather ourselves up in this stuff and then we wonder why we feel bad. Uh, we’re, we live in a toxic environment and the chemicals that we’re putting on our skin, it’s just awful. Uh, they, they have a severe consequence in our overall health. So I think the, the average one, my experience, I don’t even mean to label any one particular group of people, but the average woman isn’t paying enough attention to the quality of chemicals she puts on her skin men, same way just in a different area.

Speaker 1: 23:50 Uh, you know, whether you’re using aftershave, your shampoo, your soaps, you know, those kinds of things. There is awful stuff in that that is detrimental to our health. Uh, many of them are Xeno estrogens. They’ll affect the way that your body metabolizes estrogen and certainly testosterone, big effect. And so we have to do better as far as putting on good quality skincare things. We’ve seen patients that felt awful because of the quality of stuff they put on their skin. That’s not everyone, but there’s a lot of biochemical individuality and when you look at, you know, going back to the other piece about why does one person have a problem with this and another doesn’t. And I had a patient today that came in that just has a, a large, what we call a total toxic load problem. So she’s got toxins from the environment, the air that she breathes, the chemical she puts on her skin, the food that she eats.

Speaker 1: 24:46 There’s just all of these toxins and she’s having reactions to, you know, 150 different things and you know, it makes it where you’re toxic bucket. The bucket by which you contain all these things is just spilling over. And every little thing that, that she comes in contact with, she has a major reaction. It’s almost like she’s just a, a, a time bomb waiting to explode. And I don’t mean like she’s going to die. I mean, any little thing causes this massive eruption that for me or you, it wouldn’t do anything. Sure. So there’s just a lot of variability in that because of multiple factors. So when we’re looking at overall health and total toxic load and burdens, we want the least toxic substances that support our physiology in the best way so that again, we can look, feel and perform at our optimum.

Speaker 5: 25:35 So. So you talk about, we’ve talked about the crap out there, talk about the incorrect use. So for all the listeners, I’m a four on this episode, explained to us what type of stuff should we be using and how we should be using it. So

Speaker 1: 25:53 obviously leaning toward, you know, organic related things, certainly in botanicals are a great way to go. Making sure that you’ve got good quality products without a bunch of toxins and toxicants and professional lines, skincare or professional skincare line is certainly going to be a great place to start. Uh, the ones that we recommend in our clinic are awesome. As soon as we get our online store fixed and up, then you’ll be able to purchase them there. Uh, and that way you’ll know what you’re getting and you’re getting products that actually work and actually get into the skin. The stuff that’s just over the counter that you can go get yourself. The FDA controls that differently because your average, uh, you know, uh, not as petition, but your average retailer that has, you know, your retail skincare person that you go in and you’re going to buy makeup and they’re going to do this little facial and sale.

Speaker 1: 26:47 You need to buy these things. They don’t understand skincare for them. The average one, there may be some ones out there that are just fantastic and they could tell you all the ins and outs. But, uh, you know, for the most part they’re selling makeup and they’re trained by the people that make the makeup to sell the makeup. And so, you know, that’s just kinda what you get. But that stuff is controlled by the FDA differently because those people are not trained to treat any potential problem that, that stuff will create. So they have to make it safe for the masses. And in a way that we can’t screw this up. But when you do that, it’s, you know, I remember one time growing up, I heard a statement that I just kind of latched onto and build something even a fool can use and only a fool will use it if you make something similar venue, if you try to please everybody, you won’t please anybody you know, Kinda Kinda thing.

Speaker 1: 27:41 So do what you do and do it well and treat what you treat and treat it well. But it’s not. There is not one thing that’s gonna work for everybody or everything. So how do you know? Of course, if it’s over the counter and you’re not getting professional input, then it’s got to be basically where it can’t screw up that bad. So what that means is that you got to make it where it’s really not gonna be able to get into the cell and really be able to effect the change that you want it to make. And the same is true for your, uh, local, uh, know friendly Rodan and fields rep that’s selling the stuff that they are. These are independent sales reps. they’re not medical skincare professionals that know how to treat a problem that they’re stuff may cause it’s, and I’m not, I’m, I’m, I’m, I don’t mean to knock them, it’s just, it is what it is and I’m not saying their stuff’s good or bad or I have no judgment as to that effect, but it is cosmetic grade, not professional or pharmaceutical grade stuff and there is a specific reason it’s categorized that way because it can’t cause the same level of harm that inactive that gets into your cell can cause and in for those looking for a more, we’ll call it effective skincare product or a more, maybe they’re not getting the, the use or the intended results of what they’re skin over to the counter.

Speaker 1: 29:10 A skincare product is designed for maybe consult a physician about a professional grade kin care product. Yeah, you got it. Let me, let me back up a little bit on the road and fields piece because I, I kind of felt like I singled them out. Um, to be clear though, the Rodan and fields are that product line is basically benzoyl peroxide based. A benzoyl peroxide works very well for some things, for a while. Almost everyone, over time we’ll develop a, a not an immunity, it’ll, it will quit working. And I mean, that’s well known. It’s well established in the medical literature that it does work for a while when it quits working, it quits working and you can’t get that back. You can take off of her for a while. It still doesn’t work again. Um, so there are some patients you see all these before and afters specifically really with Rodan and fields and you see good benefit.

Speaker 1: 30:10 Not everyone gets that benefit. The benefit that that is there, it is real, you know, they’re, I don’t believe that making anything up, but over time that will often stop. And again, that doesn’t make it bad. It doesn’t make it, it’s just, you know, this is kind of, you know, it is what it is. And that goes back to a different people react differently to these skincare products. Absolutely. Okay. Well, Dr Edwards, I now I’ve learned more about skincare products then I definitely cared, right than I previously did. And, uh, for anybody that’s listening, where can they, uh, maybe submit a question after hearing this podcast and ask you maybe a followup question about skincare products? Yeah, sure. Go to our website, revolution l.org, and there are contact forums and you can send us a question there. Uh, certainly you can go on our facebook page, you can submit questions there, would probably get a faster response that way. Um, and, uh, so our, our facebook pages and other one, um, where you can go, you can call our clinic nine one eight, nine three, five, three, six, three, six. Awesome. Dr Curtis, thank you so much for joining us today. You are a rockstar and one day I hope to be half the man you are, you know, I look up to you. Talk to you guys later. Bye.

Speaker 2: 31:29 Thanks for listening to this week’s podcast with Dr Chad Edwards. Tune in next week where we’ll be going against the grain.

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