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Speaker 2: 00:57 the super tall human here with, against the grain podcast and today I’m joined by Dr Chad Edwards, who believes that 80 percent of medical recommendations are crap technically speaking here. And uh, Dr Edwards is a board certified family physician, served in the U S Army author of revolutionize your health with customized supplements and he is a beautiful man. Dr Edwards, welcome to the show. Thank you Marshall. I think you need to go have your eyes checked, but I appreciate that. It makes me feel much better about who I am. Dr Edwards, we also have a special guest today. Why don’t you introduce them? Yeah. So I’m really excited to have the one and only dj Lee’s here with us today. Dj is a pharmacist. He used to be one of the owners of the apothecary. Can I say then you could say that. Okay, well it’s true. So I just didn’t know if I can say that.
Speaker 2: 01:48 So out there, DJ and I have worked together. We’ve known each other for several years. Uh, one of the things that I, that I love about Dj is his commitment to quality and providing the highest level of service and quality possible. So, um, when he owned the apothecary I was, I was a big advocate and they were one of the, in fact, the, I think the only peekaboo accredited pharmacy in Oklahoma. One, two, one, two. Okay. What does it mean to be peekaboo accredited? It means you’re really good. Okay, cool. Means you wake up in the morning and you go out with awesomeness. Okay, that’s fair. That’s fair. What does it stand for? Peak is the pharmacy pharmacy compounding accreditation board. Okay. So it’s official. Yeah. It’s like a level of certification that most compounding pharmacies don’t have a. and because of that it just, you know, we’ve, we’ve made sure that they provide the highest possible level of service, which is why I was such a big fan of, of the apothecary.
Speaker 2: 02:47 So, uh, today we’re going to talk about some, you know, a topic that’s near and dear to my heart. Are you ready for this? I’m ready. It’s, we’re going to talk about testosterone. Oh yeah. I think we’ve done that before. I don’t think we’ve ever talked about testosterone. This is a first for us who doesn’t like testosterone. We’re, but we’re going to talk about testosterone in a different way than we’ve talked about it before. Uh, I had a patient that came in today and he was, um, you know, he’s a middle aged man and he came in and he likes doing everything natural. Uh, he, he likes making sure that, uh, you know, he gets good rest and you know, he, his nutrition is optimal and those kinds of things will on his labs. His testosterone was incredibly low and as we were talking through this and of course, you know, any of our listeners that if you, you know, if you know anything about me at all, if your testosterone is low, I’m going to recommend getting your testosterone levels up and we can do that naturally.
Speaker 2: 03:39 Or we can do it through testosterone replacement now for, for him. And he was asking me my experience and my thoughts about this and can we get his testosterone levels up naturally? Not His levels were less than 200. And um, you know, I like them much, much, much higher than that. People do better, perform better, have better health, lower risk, all kinds of things like that based on the studies that we’ve seen, um, when their testosterone levels are optimal. So I’m a big fan of testosterone replacement because of, because of the health benefits, there are some very small, low level potential risks. That’s my little, um, my little disclaimer, uh, but I don’t think the science behind those are solid, but the FDA does say that there are some risks anyway. So one of the questions that as we were talking about possible testosterone replacement, one of the things he asked was, well, why is my testosterone low?
Speaker 2: 04:35 And my response to him was, well, that’s kind of the million dollar question. If, you know, while I, I like a test or hormone replacement in general, I liked nutritional replacement when you’re deficient in something, replace it, get it back up to optimal levels. But I would prefer, you know, from a nutritional perspective, I would rather people not be on supplements. I would rather they have optimal nutrition and their levels are appropriate because they have optimal nutrition. If your hormones are messed up, figuring out why your hormones are messed up, fix that, then you don’t need hormone replacement. That would be the optimal. Unfortunately, it’s just not that easy. And we, you know, we see a lot of veterans, in fact, every single veteran that I have tested myself, uh, in my clinic, every single veteran that deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, every one of them without exception, their testosterone levels were low.
Speaker 2: 05:22 Every single one of them. And I’m, I’m one of them. Uh, so, you know, the, the question why resonates deeply with me and then the short answer to that is I don’t know the answer, but I suspect that there are a lot of possible reasons. Uh, I think, you know, environmental toxins. I think stress plays a big role. Uh, and so I was talking with Dj about this the other day and he was like, man, I’m glad you asked me that question because I have at least some answers. And not only does he have some answers, but a little later in the podcast, we’re gonna talk about some solutions. Absolutely what I did there
Speaker 3: 05:58 as kind of a play on words later we will talk about solutions solutions, but as in a solution to the problem and it’s kind of a, that’s not really a solution. You’re a pharmacist. You’re going to keep me accountable for what a solution truly is. We will certainly keep us very accountable on that. I, I, there’s not a whole lot of solutions that are in my bag of tricks, but I do put things into solution to get them into a cream or a topical to make it a solution. You Bet. Now I’m just confused about what the solution. There’s a lot of solutions to all the problems. Okay. So, uh, one of the, one of the things with testosterone is potential toxins and things like that. So Dj talk to tell me what you know. So you’re talking about environmental reasons why this patient might have low testosterone.
Speaker 3: 06:43 There are probably multiple things that could go into that in, from the environmental perspective, things like personal care items, things we use every day or some, maybe not every day, like showering with shampoos and conditioners or bodywash, um, the, the companies that put these ingredients together, they use something that’s called a class of chemicals called Parabon and apparent is essentially a preservative and it works really well at inhibiting the growth of bacteria and fungus and other molds and stuff. But then it also has some, some negative effects to it. Um, and one of those being that it had, it’s an estrogen type, um, hormone that stimulates the estrogen in the body. It’s a, it’s called a Zino estrogen. Yeah. I’m not very many people recognize that term because it’s not something they use in everyday. It almost sounds like a superhero. It might be a super villain.
Speaker 3: 07:49 We should call it a super villain. Supervillain is now what we’ll call it a parabins. If it weren’t, if it were only a villain, but we were to put a cape on the of, and then it would be a super villain. It would be a super villain and I think it already is. So we’ve already done. We’ve already done it that way. I like it. So parabens are super villains. They’re bad. They are bad. So why, what, what, what? I’m sure there’s some other things. Well, there are other things that are things like sulfates and BPA, but this man, we’ll call it bpa because too many words to, uh, to combine into one. Um, but a lot of, a lot of those ingredients are, are in our personal care items, whether they’re in the plastics that, that they’re packaged in or if they’re in the creams to make them or the creams or the shampoos to make them foam or work in a more ideal manner. Um, but there are additives to, I guess further make it a more of an elegant product. So we’ve talked a little bit about Bpa in the past and uh, if I remember correctly, I don’t know if you know, if you know, but if I remember right, I think bpa was
Speaker 2: 08:56 originally developed as an estrogen, wasn’t it? It certainly was. That’s just amazing. So you’re telling us that it, you’re not talking about the BPA and the plastic bottle, uh, you’re talking about bpa being added to the chemical itself,
Speaker 3: 09:10 both, both and, and a lot of the BPA as, as the additives, chemicals have been removed from the market over the past two years and there’s been a lot of focus on what, what the bottle is actually comprised of, whether or not it has bpa in it as a, has the BPA in it. But what we, we’ve found through the, a lot of the research that I have done is that over 90 percent of the ingredients are 90 percent of the shampoos and conditioners. The personal care items that are out on the market do have parabens in them. Right. And whereas the BPA is, they’ve certainly reduced a lot more frequently, uh, than, than the, the parabens. But there is a major move to do that. Okay. Now you mentioned sulfates. What can you tell us a little more about that? Well, sulfates are a little bit more ambiguous.
Speaker 3: 10:01 Um, but uh, they are put into shampoos to cause the foaming shampoos and soaps to cause the foaming or the sensing of the shampoo. And what it does is it actually is, is not good for the hair. Um, it’s drying up, but residues of shampoo of the sulfates from shampoos have been found obviously on the scout but also in the tissues of the lungs and of, of other muscles upon obviously intense, uh, evaluation of those, those people are no longer with us that they’re evaluating that. But um, but yeah, the sulfates have have shown to be carcinogenic as well. Okay.
Speaker 2: 10:44 So we got chemicals that are harmful to or moans, potentially carcinogenic, cause all kinds of potential problems. And these are what we have in our normal everyday a skincare products that, you know, we as men don’t think too much about this. We’ve talked about that a lot in the past. And I want to hammer this home that you say that the sulfates are creating this foaming or they’ve, these different chemicals have been added for the practicality or the functionality of these products. Is that purely what it is? You don’t get any more benefit from the [inaudible] of the, of the foam or the foaming of the hand soap or anything like that. It just, it doesn’t help at all. It’s interesting. It’s a mind trick to make you think it’s working to, to see it work. Is that what I understand you, but I’ll tell you when I was, um, when I was in middle school, you know, Polo was big, you know, uh, the Cologne.
Speaker 2: 11:41 Okay. Low. And so I used Polo Shampoo. I thought you meant I thought you meant the sport on the horses. I thought as well when you’re in. I can’t play that at all. Okay. Um, I used to use polo and I remember seeing on it, it said low sensing shampoo and I was like, why are they advertising that? That’s the subject. That’s good. No joke. I remember that. Um, so I would argue the. Yeah, what you’re saying is correct. It’s, it’s just, you know, it’s making it. If you’ve got lots of sensing thing that must be working really well. Sure. Well that’s not true at all. It must be a load of crap. It is a load of crap, so let’s, so we’ve got, we’ve got parabens and sulfates and, and BPA, and there’s probably a whole host of other
Speaker 3: 12:24 goals we could sit here all day long and to discuss the 1200 or so ingredients that have been banned in the European Union that have been banned from cosmetic and personal care items, um, 1200 1200 and the week. You might be a little bit impressed or surprised to know that all of those ingredients are available here in the US of a. You mean our federal government is allowing toxic
Speaker 2: 12:54 stuff and in our, in our, like personal care items and foods and stuff, but the Europeans have already picked up on this shocker. Right? Wow. I’m sure the election, I don’t care who wins. They’re going to fix that problem. I’m sure
Speaker 3: 13:08 it’s almost fixed. Yeah. I’m sure it’s on both of their platforms. So why is this, why is this such an against the grain topic or why is this a need to be a hotter topic brought into the limelight? You know that it’s not being banned immediately here in the US, or we talked earlier, Dr Edwards talked earlier about his patient that he was expressing his desire to use a more of a natural approach to, to helping with this testosterone and what we can help do is to eliminate those factors that may be modulating the hormone response. Yeah, I would. And I would say anybody that uses
Speaker 2: 13:45 soap shampoo, a face cleansers or anything like that. Do you deodorant? Do you look at the ingredients on that? Do you look at the. Do you know what’s in your shampoo? Absolutely not. The only one. I know it sounds a lot though. Now you’re scared, right? Hair. Totally. But I’m in Marshall. I got to say your hair is beautiful. Very beautiful man. Yeah, well groomed. Thank you. Strong work. Uh, so, uh, I, I would argue that most men especially don’t know the ingredients that’s in what they’re using there. It’s there. It’s going to get me clean. I’m on. Do you have good.
Speaker 3: 14:20 Moving on now, I would probably also say that anything alternatively that maybe is good for my hair or personal men’s hygiene or anything like that is probably not branded in a way that I would ever look at it, you know, of course just the blank white bottle with no kind of advertisement or a cool design or anything like that. Yeah, that’s what I mean. I’ll just skip that over. That part of the aisle is the listeners could only see my shirt. Can we describe the shirt real quick? Well, on my shirt I’ve got a really cool looking man. Okay. Maybe it’s cool as, as the three of us, I’m not quite sure, but he’s got his cool shades on. His hair is his famous perfectly. I don’t know what you’re talking about. I don’t look anything like that and yeah, you’re not as cool as this guy.
Speaker 3: 15:07 I might not be either, but this guy, I mean we certainly are. Our host certainly is. Yeah. Um, and he’s termed dude and dude is actually spelled a little differently. Okay. D? Oh for the hairdo. Okay. Okay. So it’s like, dude, like he’s done his hair exactly like he’s dapper man. Okay. And tell me what is dude? Dude is a line of personal care for men. Um, it’s a, it’s a bold line. It’s where the science of pharmacy collides with the art of cosmetics. Cool. And with, with the art w, w, how do you blend the two I guess is really what’s begging the question. So, um, most of the products that are out on the market on the natural space are thought of that they’re put together to where they’re utilitarian. Um, they’re not cool. They don’t have that edge to say, oh, it’s natural, but it can still smell good or it’s natural and it can still be a something that can make my hair look better and make me feel better about myself. Um, so it’s something that I’ve taken a lot of care to put these ingredients together to result in a, an awesome shampoo, a conditioner that is second to none. And then a current of our three current products. Also the face crap, which I think is my favorite product so far that that’s not just jargon. That’s what it’s branded man. Poor hair, smooth and face crap. Dr Edwards. I want to take a quick break and after the break, let’s go ahead and get into. So we got to get into it.
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Speaker 3: 17:15 Okay, we are back in. We’re joined today with Dr Chad Edwards in Dj Lee’s of Dude. And what, how would you describe the dude company? What kind of company is it? So, dude is specifically focused on targeting our, our male clients. Uh, so we have come up with a complete line of personal care products are actually, we’re in the development of a complete line. Uh, we have, we currently have four products on the market. Those being a shampoo, a conditioner called hair smooth, a facewash called face crap, and a lip balm stick called fresh lips. Okay. And what our goal is is to be able to essentially be in every man’s bathroom. Every man is going to use deodorant or antiperspirant every man’s going to use a face wash, sometimes not as frequent as what they should. Um, but, um, all of those products that are being used to help you smell better or feel better or look better or just overall have some sort of hygiene.
Speaker 3: 18:15 Um, that’s where our goal is as to be. I, I keep a running list of questions that just for in my life, I have these mental questions. Usually it’s in the shower that I have these questions come up. Um, but, uh, whenever I get the opportunity to ask what I want to ask one, okay, go for it. But what is the difference between Deodorant and antiperspirant? Is that a good question? I feel like that’s legit. I feel like that’s a legitimate question. We have an answer for that one. We do. So a deodorant helps to remove or overpower the odor that your body would normally produce. Funk dominates the phone. Okay. And we all, we’ve all been there about all been out running or playing a sport and we smelled our armpits and we don’t want to do that again. Sure. An antiperspirant helps you not sweat.
Speaker 3: 19:03 That sounds a little dangerous if you asked me is it in the area? Okay, you still sweat everywhere else. Okay. So just in the area. Now some might say that the, the funk comes from the sweat. Technically the comes from the bacteria that reside in this wet. So I feel like we’re getting somewhere and we’re kind of bringing this full circle to, you know, what are we really getting rid of with all these different products that maybe dude offers. Okay. So, so break that down for me. What are we getting rid of? We are getting rid of the opportunity to play a negatively with testosterone. So one reason that I wanted to develop this company, given my background knowledge and compounding pharmacy was to continue to expand upon my knowledge and the information that I’ve obtained over the years as to how to help my patients now that our customers or clients no longer a patient because it’s not in a medical sense, but how to help them improve themselves and improve themselves by helping other, other, uh, medical practitioners that, that are treating the testosterone or, or other hormones, but also serving that purpose of having a clean face, having hair that looks great, just like you and I.
Speaker 3: 20:24 and then also notice I wasn’t in that conversation. Yeah, your hair’s kind of crazy today. You need to get some dude Friday. Go ahead. And uh, so, so, uh, all of our products are very utilitarian, but they are also very elegant and they’re put together with a lot of thoughts. Um, for instance, one of the cleansing agents that we use in both the face crap and the man poor are, it’s a charcoal activated charcoal from coconut shell. And what that does is it’s very good at detoxifying. And, and Dr Edwards can go back into early on in his days in a medical school as to what charcoal is also used for, um, from a medical sense. Um, but what it does on the skin and the hair is it absorbs the impurities. And uh, if we walk out of our house on any given day, um, if we do anything we do manly things, we’re going to get impurities on us. Um, we’re going to get those. We’re going to put those in our hair whenever we’re fixing our hair so we can look good for our ladies. Um, so the, the coconut shell charcoal is what’s going to help cleanse and remove those impurities from the skin and hair. I kind of might feel manly if I like, I’ll wash my hair with charcoal. Exactly. It’s just like when you say it that way, that sounds pretty awesome. Yeah, it does sound awesome
Speaker 2: 21:41 to underscore that just a little bit, because I think that’s a really important point. We were, Dj and I were talking about this the other day and he was talking about, you know, activated charcoal on your skin. And I was like, would, you know, and, and the effect of detoxification. And I was like, well, yeah, I mean in the army when we do our nuclear biological, chemical warfare training, uh, you know, we all practice, uh, you know, you’ve got junk all over, you get chemical agent, you got all that stuff all over you. What you do, part of the decontamination process is you get these little pads that actually have charcoal on them and you rub them on your skin. There are some other things that they’ve got to, but uh, that, that charcoal binds the toxins. I mean, it’s incredibly effective. And we also use it in the emergency room for a overdoses. Things like that you can use. Charcoal is in a water filter. A charcoal is an incredibly effective, a detoxifier like that. So I love the fact that they put that in there. They got bikes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: 22:39 And, and that’s essentially what it’s doing is it’s absorbing all the impurities and the toxins like a sponge. Okay. And then you’re washing out the sponge of, you know, off
Speaker 2: 22:49 skin or out of your hair or whatever that is. So basically what you’re saying is not only are you not putting bad crap on your face, but you’re also putting stuff in there that help detoxify. So it’s a, it’s a proactive, uh, um,
Speaker 3: 23:03 product you bet. And another, another thing that detoxifies, it removes the toxins from our skin, our or something called Bentonite Clay, and that’s actually from the dirt, hence the clay. Um, it’s comprised of iron, sodium, calcium, potassium, magnesium, all formed from volcanic ash years ago, whenever volcanoes and dinosaurs roamed the earth and all that kind of cool stuff. Um, so it’s, it’s a manly way to remove those toxins, those toxins from the skin. Exactly. And how many, how many people out there use a shampoo or a face wash? This black? No, I literally, I have one that’s in a black model. You have one send the black bottle, but soon you will have a bottle that is blue that has black shampoo and blackface crap in it. And you’re gonna love it. That’s amazing. It is. And it doesn’t stain anything. I actually, whenever I was making it a one time, I accidentally got it on my white t shirt and I was like, Dang it this as a Katie t shirt. And then all of a sudden two weeks later he, Katie leaves and I go back to see if it might. My shirt was saying, but I didn’t really care anymore because he’s gone from Oklahoma City. But uh, um, so, but my, the stain wasn’t there. And I was like, wow, that’s really cool. This is a non staining black coolness.
Speaker 2: 24:18 Well the interesting thing though is the very first one that he made, he came over to my house and he looked exactly like a smurf.
Speaker 3: 24:25 Fortunately he learned. So we’ve moved beyond that stage. That’s not a true story by the way, that I wish I had summer voice on me. Okay. So we. So we have this dude and it’s a four, four products, four products currently we’re at products. By the end of this year, we looked to have 12 products out on the market. Okay. And so from, from every different area of daily hygiene, you’ll be able to have better performing, better performing a hygiene products that don’t contain any of the chemicals that might produce a negative effect on the body. Keep it from reaching optimal levels. Exactly. Everything will be you utilitarian as well as. Cool. Okay.
Speaker 2: 25:08 Matt, I love it. I love the idea of that because, you know, again, going back to that, that concept, there’s so many, many toxins in our environment, the air we breathe and the water we drink with fluoride and chloride and all these kinds of things and, and multiple other potential chemicals that are trying to keep us safe that some of them actually cause problems. And then, you know, the funny thing is, you know, a few years ago we thought, okay, well I’m, I may be afraid of the, uh, the tap water that I’m drinking. So I’ll drink bottled water and you know, out of the frying pan into the fire and we see some problems in some people, not everyone. So, I mean, clearly not everyone listening is going to have a problem with their hormones or it’s never going to manifest, it’s never going to cause a problem.
Speaker 2: 25:50 But why would we go there if we don’t need to go there? We should be eating clean, we should be living clean, avoiding as many toxins as we can. And so I think this is a great adjunct to any of the revolution listeners that want to be optimally healthy. They’re already eating well and exercising and trying to reduce their stress and all those kinds of things. Toxin Elimination, uh, is a, is a huge piece and I love what you’re doing with, with dude. I love what you’re doing with your products and where you’re going. Uh, so I very much appreciate you coming on talking about some of those toxins, how they can affect testosterone and then some of the solutions that you have a for, for patients wanting to be as healthy as possible.
Speaker 3: 26:30 I certainly appreciate the opportunity to come in here and speak with you guys about this today. It’s something that’s, that I have a great passion for. And, uh, I look forward to, to having this on your shelves at your clinic here soon and in my shower and in shower. I, I look forward to being in your shower first, disturbing for any of the listeners that are like, yes, sign me up. I need some of this. When can they get it or where the kid they get it or what’s the, what’s the plan here? Well, in the Tulsa Metro area there’ll be multiple places that you can get at, one of which will be revolution health and wellness. Boom. And that would be a great place for those listeners that are on this podcast today. Um, but additionally, if you’re not in the Tulsa area and you have something called the Internet, uh, we have a website called name www dot dude. And that’s d o d manly stuff.com dude. Mainly stuff.com. Dr Edwards, I appreciate it. I appreciate you joining us here today, man. It’s always a pleasure. I love it. It’s good stuff. Dj, I appreciate you joining us as well. Thank you. Hopefully we can have you back. I would certainly love come back. Thanks for listening to this week’s podcast with Dr Chad Edwards. Tune in next week where we’ll be going against the grain.